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Old Feb 06, 2008, 02:15 PM // 14:15   #1
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I'm trying to create a dual UW farm build using a Warrior and Necro in a similar fashion to a 55/SS combo.

My question is, can a Warrior ever be able to tank Aatxe solo with no outside healing.

With the build I made yesterday and tried out shortly after, we could take on pretty much all melee enemies easily with no problems. We dual farmed trolls, minotaurs, ettins, etc with no problem at all. When we went to UW we took out grasping darkness with no problem but we didn't have any good run skills equipped so couldn't try for a smite run. We went into UW about 5 times trying to take on the Aatxe but the tank would die with the 3 of them at about half HP. I know just doing a smite run would prolly be easiest, but I kinda think of it as a personal goal to be able to take on the Aatxe and would really like to be able to do it.

Here are the builds we brought. The Warrior build is the one that I think is a little weak. The Necro build worked perfectly and I had no issue with it at all. I thought of maybe trading out Suffering with Blood Ritual, but I think getting into touch range may be a little dangerous. Any positive input is much appreciated. Also, the Warrior skills must all come from Prophecies, that's the only game he has.

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[skill]Spiteful Spirit[/skill] [skill]Mark of Pain[/skill] [skill]Enfeebling Blood[/skill] [skill]Reckless Haste[/skill] [skill]Suffering[/skill] [skill]Dash[/skill] [skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill] Hexer's Vigor (GWEN Skill)

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[skill]Mend Condition[/skill] [skill]Protective Spirit[/skill] [skill]Essence Bond[/skill] [skill]Mending[/skill] [skill]Healing Signet[/skill] [skill]Bonetti's Defense[/skill] [skill]Gladiator's Defense[/skill] [skill]Shield Stance[/skill]

I'm looking for help not to get flamed. Would just like some friendly advice.

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Old Feb 06, 2008, 02:19 PM // 14:19   #2
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The Warrior build is the one that I think is a little weak.
You think? Jeez..

VwK works fine for tanking (and killing) aataxes, use that instead of making up trash builds.
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Old Feb 06, 2008, 02:33 PM // 14:33   #3
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Skills have to come from proph only.
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Old Feb 06, 2008, 02:40 PM // 14:40   #4
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Then he should buy the other games.
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Old Feb 06, 2008, 02:42 PM // 14:42   #5
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Skills have to come from proph only.

Errrrr... [skill]Dash[/skill]

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The warrior build is basically just a Mo/W 55 backwards. Not good for a war since you are going to have no Energy regen and PS is a 10e spell. Mend Condition is kinda useless considering you can't use it on yourself and the necro should never be taking damage. You have too many skills that require energy and even with Bonetti's you can't always use them right away. Warriors are usually made for adrenaline usage, not energy.


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You think? Jeez..

VwK works fine for tanking (and killing) aataxes, use that instead of making up trash builds
Hmm, I haven't tried using my war to solo UW in a long time with the VwK build but last time I checked, the Aaxtes did more damage then VwK and Vengeful Weapon could heal for.
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Old Feb 06, 2008, 02:48 PM // 14:48   #6
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Hmm, I haven't tried using my war to solo UW in a long time with the VwK build but last time I checked, the Aaxtes did more damage then VwK and Vengeful Weapon could heal for.
I believe it can take 2, but not 3.
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Old Feb 06, 2008, 02:49 PM // 14:49   #7
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Oh, and just to clarify. The necro build can use any skill from any pack, I have them all. The warrior, my friend, only has Proph.

So, do you think it's possible to for the Warrior to be able to sustain that much damage with only Proph. skills or is it an impossible dream?

We managed to get 3 Aatxe down to 50% HP before the tank died. I think this may have been possible because of Enfeebling Blood and the fact that with SS and MoP they took dmg fast.
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Old Feb 06, 2008, 02:55 PM // 14:55   #8
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How about:

Balth Spirit
Prot spirit
Shield of Regeneration
Essence Bond
Bonnetti's defense

3 optionals.
Maybe Healing Hands instead of SoR..but then you must take healing breeze.
Radiant Insignia's and Attunement runes should be used, and a +5e weapon.


Also Dan, you can't tell someone they should buy the games..I'm sure they know what abd would buy them if they could.

I didn't know VwK could tank 2 Aatxes..may try this.
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Old Feb 06, 2008, 03:23 PM // 15:23   #9
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WARRIOR
[skill]Mend Condition[/skill] [skill]Protective Spirit[/skill]
These are good, but suck on a warrior.
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[skill]Essence Bond[/skill] [skill]Mending[/skill]
Outside of 55HP (And TanknSpank for EBond...) these suck.
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[skill]Healing Signet[/skill] [skill]Bonetti's Defense[/skill] [skill]Gladiator's Defense[/skill] [skill]Shield Stance[/skill]
No.
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Old Feb 06, 2008, 04:05 PM // 16:05   #10
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^That didn't really help? Which is what he asked for -.-
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Old Feb 06, 2008, 04:19 PM // 16:19   #11
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First I would change your necros bar actually, drop mark of pain for Price of Failure.

Tanking the Aatxe are not that hard, keep in mind you cant use a sword/axe to attack them due to thier Ripost/Deadly Riposte. If he runs a high armor build with say a wand(only vs the Bladed Aatxe) he should take very small dmg from them.

It can be done, but it certainly takes a lot of effort and might not be worth the rewards.
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Old Feb 06, 2008, 06:13 PM // 18:13   #12
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Try running the W/Me UW solo build.

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[skill]Ancestor's Visage[/skill][skill]Sympathetic Visage[/skill][skill]Eviscerate[/skill][skill]Executioner's Strike[/skill][skill]Penetrating Blow[/skill][skill]Physical Resistance[/skill][skill]Healing Signet[/skill][skill]Sprint[/skill]

Now Ancestor's Visage is a Factions skill so I would say make the N/A a N/Me instead and have it bring Ancestor's Visage instead of Dash. If you are trying to take the Aaxte's down then you can just clear the way to the smites instead of running past them. Instead of Ancestor's you can then bring Bonetti's Defense. This way you have a block and a way to get some energy.

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I didn't know VwK could tank 2 Aatxes..may try this.
Again, I haven't down UW solo in a long time but last time I did it couldn't. With them doing 100+ damage on each hit and VwK only giving you back around 29 health and Vengeful Weapon giving you 51 everyonce in awhile that wouldn't out heal 1 Aaxte. But again I could be wrong.


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First I would change your necros bar actually, drop mark of pain for Price of Failure.
QFT. Price of Failure will help alot more then Mark of Pain. The chance to miss is much better then a adding on damage especially with the Aaxtes packing Riptose's.

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Old Feb 06, 2008, 06:24 PM // 18:24   #13
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Don't have the Warrior use a melee weapon. Give him a staff/wand+focus. That gives him more energy for the skills, and allows him to attack the Aatxes without taking damage from Ripostes. OR, give him a Sword and have him use Riposte/Deadly Riposte for blocking+damage. Mend Ailment, not Mend Condition, I assume you just posted the wrong skill.

Not sure it can work, especially with just Prophecies skills. I'd have him make a Monk or buy the other games.
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Old Feb 06, 2008, 06:39 PM // 18:39   #14
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Wasn't there an old W/N UW solo build by Racthoh that used Enfeeble, Dolyak, Healing Signet, and Defensive Stances to tank Aatxes? You could probably also run a 55 Warrior with Balthazar's Spirit, Essence Bond, Mending, Balthazar's Aura, Bonetti's, Protective Spirit, Healing Breeze, and Gladiator's Defense. Put on Healing Breeze and Gladiator's Defense, trigger the nightmare, put up PS and start bonding yourself. Also, maybe an Obs Tank with some tactics spec and heal sig could handle it.
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Old Feb 06, 2008, 06:43 PM // 18:43   #15
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Being a Tank with Ripostes isn't the dumbest idea on the planet. Especially if they hit as hard as the Aataxes do.

The W/N Grenth's Balance solo build is Riposte heavy and tons of fun.

Since you're almost working solo, they should find their way onto your skill bar along with Bonetti's and Dolyak.
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Old Feb 06, 2008, 06:52 PM // 18:52   #16
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Here's one that is a W/N solo build

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10227937

[skill]Barbed Signet[/skill][skill]Unholy Feast[/skill][skill]Gladiator's Defense[/skill][skill]Shield Stance[/skill][skill]"To The Limit!"[/skill][skill]Bonetti's Defense[/skill][skill]Healing Signet[/skill][skill]Sprint[/skill]

Not the Grenth's Balance one but it uses Prophecies only skills.
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Old Feb 06, 2008, 06:57 PM // 18:57   #17
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What if he went pure Warrior without any secondary prof skills. Would this line up work?

WARRIOR
[skill]Bonetti's Defense[/skill] [skill]Shield Stance[/skill] [skill]Gladiator's Defense[/skill] [skill]Healing Signet[/skill] [skill]Dolyak Signet[/skill] [skill]Shield Bash[/skill] [skill]Deadly Riposte[/skill] [skill]Riposte[/skill]

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[skill]Spiteful Spirit[/skill] [skill]Price of Failure[/skill] [skill]Enfeebling Blood[/skill] [skill]Reckless Haste[/skill] [skill]Suffering[/skill] [skill]Dash[/skill] [skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill] Hexer's Vigor (GWEN Skill)

This also brings me to another question, is there a block % cap or a % chance to miss cap?
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Old Feb 06, 2008, 07:28 PM // 19:28   #18
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I was just curious if anyone has tried an obsidian build with a necro in the UW and if that is plausible? I use it on my Dervish with Mystic regeneration. Just thought I'd ask.
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I would use the W/N build for SSKai's (sp) sword with grenths balance that is the old UW build.This stricky for Aatxes though
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I would use the W/N build for SSKai's (sp) sword with grenths balance that is the old UW build.This stricky for Aatxes though
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